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Solumon Caar
Senex Legio
The Old Contemptibles
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Posted - 2015.06.25 14:43:46 -
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Ill keep it brief, as this has likely been suggested in some capacity in the past.
Summary:
- SP to be extracted and sold in designated size volumes (units) that scale to the SP sizing system (ie a x1 skill might extract/fill with 5 increments, where larger x2, x3 skills require more via the same scale).
- Have a tool, station service or process that can extract the units from a skill of choosing. Those SPs would then be a commodity - ie "I now have 15 units of Advanced Spaceship Command to sell".
- I imagine a syringe icon per unit to reflect units extracted/bought/used.
Benefits:
- Eliminates (mostly) the need for character sales and removes risk from that exchange system. Allows people to buy and sell the same effective "time", but without having to exchange characters. All done via controlled market.
- Reduces the growing player skill gap - allows newer younger (ie less than 3 years old) characters to invest in skill trees with isk investment.
- Skill point sink for very old characters.
Cons:
- This is the eve community, you will certainly fill this post with cons. Given the current mechanics of SP scale and the character bazaar, I don't see them yet.
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Solumon Caar
Senex Legio
The Old Contemptibles
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Posted - 2015.06.25 16:05:19 -
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Danika Princip wrote: .... take your pay to win bullshit idea with you.
As constructive as that was, "You do know" that we already do this via the character bazaar? Selling SP is not a new "play to win idea" it is a solution to an existing system. And (not that you care) but it also solves legitamate problems with scale and needed SP sinks. If you cant see that, it is simply because you dont want to. Or, you just prefer to troll.
If you are going to posture as wise, please try harder.
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Solumon Caar
Senex Legio
The Old Contemptibles
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Posted - 2015.06.25 17:06:15 -
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Danika Princip wrote: (common spite and arrogance)
I have no desire to engage you or respond to your objections.
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Solumon Caar
Senex Legio
The Old Contemptibles
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Posted - 2015.06.25 21:13:43 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Not then. Not now. Not ever. ... As for the "skillpoint problem" you keep referencing... please refer to this: "The Skillpoint System and You."(tldr; the "gap" doesn't really exist unless you think that being able to fly the best and/or have the best possible numbers is the be-all-end-all thing in EVE... which it isn't)
Im not sure what you mean by "skillpoint problem" that I "keep referencing". I never used the term "Skillpoint problem" and I certainly did not "keep referencing" it. I like the Skillpoint system.
Secondly, I have no desire to "pay to win". Objections to that end I believe are superficial and are avoiding my point. I want new players. I want eve to grow in content and accessibility. I want larger communities and a foundation for expansion. Without accessibility, you will not have it.
I said and continue to believe there is a problem with new players and scale. When another 10 years passes and the gap increases between those who have been playing 20 years and those that are considering entry to the game - there *is* indeed a scale issue. 10 years from today, entry level play becomes worth less. Pretending this doesn't exist is ridiculous.
I agree that the Character Bazaar is a necessary evil. But the reality is - it exists because of real scale issues. Not because people like me "want to pay to win". If people want to bury their heads in the sand on that, so be it. |
Solumon Caar
Senex Legio
The Old Contemptibles
10
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Posted - 2015.06.25 22:29:42 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Solumon Caar wrote:Im not sure what you mean by "skillpoint problem" that I "keep referencing". I never used the term "Skillpoint problem" and I certainly did not "keep referencing" it. I like the Skillpoint system. Seriously? You did it again in the same post you are saying you are not doing it (see next quote). Solumon Caar wrote:When another 10 years passes and the gap increases between those who have been playing 20 years and those that are considering entry to the game - there *is* indeed a scale issue. 10 years from today, entry level play becomes worth less. Pretending this doesn't exist is ridiculous. The gap does not exist.
I did not "say it again". I did NOT say "Skillpoint problem" once, ever or again. I said "scale issues". Which - again - is a real issue. You are either:
- Unwilling to acknowledge my point and wish to replace it with a simpler straw man argument
- Intentionally misquoting me to make your own point easier
- Unable to understand what I mean.
You go on and to try and argue that the scale issue (that I DID actually talk about) doesn't exist, because a
10 year veteran and 6 month old player can both fly frigates equally. That was laughable. Because it's all about those frigates.
You then say
ShahFluffers wrote:
In another 10 years... the 20-year old veteran will be equal to the 10.5 year old player at the frigate level
While "I see what you did there" This avoids my second point. You are comparing a 20 year old character with a 10.5 year old character. And I made a point about a future 20 year old player vs the future 0-day-old player that is (quoting myself since it seems necessary) is:
Solumon Caar wrote:
considering entry to the game
But in the end I will TLDR; your response for you:
You dont think there is a scale problem. You think the problem is people are stupid and lazy.
I believe that response is motivated out of willful ignorance. |
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